2/3 Police As Government; Republicans Can’t Name A Ransom; Behind The “Trojan Horse Affair” w/ Jamelle Bouie & Hamza Syed

February 3, 2023

It’s Casual Friday! Sam and Emma host Jamelle Bouie, opinion columnist at the New York Times and co-host of the Unclear and Present Danger podcast, to round up the week in news. Then, they’re joined by Hamza Syed, co-host of The Trojan Horse Affair podcast, available from the New York Times and Serial. First, Sam and Emma run through updates on Biden leading the US through another strong quarter for labor, Blinken delaying his trip to China amidst the arrival of a “Spy Weather balloon” in the US, George Santos, the removal of Rep Ilhan Omar from the Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Fed continuing their full-on assault on labor, before diving into Fox’s juxtaposition of a strong labor market with Ford failing to meet some of their own revenue expectations. Jamelle Bouie then joins as he dives right into the murder of Tyre Nichols at the hands of the Memphis Police Department’s Scorpion Squad, and the importance of understanding the impact of the hyper-policing of marginalized communities on their relationship to politics and the state writ large. Bouie walks through the work of Joe Soss and Vesla Weaver that paints police as the most direct relationship that marginalized communities have with the state, understanding that their treatment at the hands of police creates a pessimistic view of the state and encourages a removal from the political system entirely. Capping off that conversation, Jamelle, Emma, and Sam walk through marginalized communities’ relationship to crime, understanding their fellow citizens as overpoliced in daily life while under-policed in terms of the actual risks to the community via violent crime, all serving to paint their social role, as understood by the state, as one of developing criminality rather than active citizenship. Next, Jamelle Bouie parses through the nascent stages of the GOP presidential race, why DeSantis and much of the rest of the Right relies on culture war discourse over policy, why the media struggles to handle GOP lies after decades of embracing them, Donald Trump’s role as an outside candidate even in 2024, and the constitutional nature of debt ceiling debates. They also talk with Hamza Syed about his work uncovering the Islamophobic response of the UK Government to obviously false papers covering an Islamic coup of Birmingham’s education system, and the UK Policy Exchange’s and much of the media’s attempt to paint his journalism as an extension of this Islamist project of extremism.

And in the Fun Half: Sam and Emma watch Kevin McCarthy try to defend the removal of Ilhan Omar from the Foreign Affairs Committee as “precedent” following the removal of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar for threats against other sitting congresspeople. They also dive into the recent House vote to denounce socialism and what that means for the future of socialist policies like M4A, with 109 Democrats joining the Right on the vote, Ben Shapiro talks girl pants and why they can never be paired with boy legs, and Donald Trump rags on Ron DeSantis’ whimpering for help ahead of his 2018 race, plus, your calls and IMs!

Check out Jamelle’s work here: https://www.nytimes.com/column/jamelle-bouie

Check out The Trojan Horse Affair here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/podcasts/trojan-horse-affair.html

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