Sam and Emma host New York Times cybersecurity reporter Nicole Perlroth to discuss her new both This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends: The Cyberweapons Arms Race on the new world of espionage and cyber-warfare and Washington’s failure to address cyber over the past several decades. Sam and Emma discuss the history of Zero-Day programming and the arms race to exploit digital infrastructures across the globe, as well as how to begin to reign in these attacks.

And in the Fun Half: Democrats moving beyond Clinton talking points, Cuomo is ready to ruin NY with Covid again, the Passion of Neera Tanden, presenting the Best of Bruce Castor, Kilmeade’s revelation on Trump’s lawyers,

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