Sam hosts Suzanne Schneider, Deputy Director and Core Faculty at the Brooklyn Institute, to discuss her recent book The Apocalypse and the End of History: Modern Jihad and the Crisis of Liberalism, on the evolution of jihad as liberalism took over the world. Schneider begins by helping frame the central terms, exploring the greater project of liberalism, attempting to advance democracy, the free market, and individual liberty over the last three centuries, and how that transitioned into neoliberalism, with the takeover of the state and products of democracy by capital, before they look at jihad as a form of Islamic warfare. Suzanne then dives into how the right to engage in jihad has evolved, from the right of a state or caliphate, as seen as recently as the Ottoman Empire’s entrance into World War I, to a form of insurrection, largely in rejection of the people’s faith in the state, over the last century, only recently changing with ISIS’ s populist and elite-driven claim to a new caliphate. She and Sam dive into this development, looking at how ISIS was able to use an ideology of self-selecting to drive feelings of individual agency, and the capacity to have an actual impact, amidst democracy’s failure to deliver the same ability, and look at the similar qualities in the far-right movements in the US, giving rise to authoritarianism dressed up in religious aesthetics that thrives on disenchantment and lack of civil agency. This brings them to a discussion of neoliberalism and the process of state capture and privatization of capital, looking at how complete fealty to the market has seen the state let democracy, and civil agency slip by the wayside. Sam and Suzanne wrap up the interview by looking at colonialism, rather than domestic capitalism in the empires, as the sowing ground for today’s expression of liberalism, where the state exists for the capture of capital for private benefit and to violently suppress resentment, exploiting people and keeping them tamed through the monopoly on violence. Sam also dives into Schumer’s recent turnaround on the filibuster, and deciphering what he really is willing to give up to Manchin.

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