Episode

8/10 From Bordertown Violence To Native Liberation w/ Nick Estes

August 10, 2021

Sam and Emma host Nick Estes, host of The Red Nation Podcast, to discuss his recent book Red Nation Rising: From Bordertown Violence To Native Liberation, on the relationship between policing and surveillance, and Native communities in the US, both inside and out of reservations. Nick, Emma, and Sam begin with the recent assaults of native folks that instigated the founding of Red Nation, and what the role of Bordertowns, lying just outside of reservations, plays in the policing of indigenous communities, before Nick Estes walks us through the relationship between Black and Native communities reaching back deep into the 20th Century, exploring Minneapolis as a meeting ground in the 1960s with the Soul Patrol and American Indian Movement attempting to police the police and keep their community members safe. Next, Emma and Nick look into how the current Line 3 pipeline protests, alongside previous pipeline violence such as DAPL, expresses the direct parallels between the “us versus them” mentality that police take when confronted with communities of color, regardless of urban or rural environments, and the military strategy that leads these coalitions of law enforcement agencies, with national guard policy currently promoting lethal force in protection of pipeline infrastructure. Estes wraps up the interview touching on the book as a primer for the tools to understand the role of capitalism and state intervention on behalf of industry in this exploitation and violence, the continued claiming of native lands, and the parallels between international fights for decolonization. Sam and Emma conclude the free half with an update on Cuomo’s resignation and infrastructure progress.

And in the Fun Half: Nomiki Konst joins Sam and Emma to say goodbye to our first Black, Jewish, Muslim, Lesbian, AND Disabled governor, as they chat about Cuomo’s departure and his potential replacements, including Kathy Hochul, Letitia James, and Tom Suozzi. Next, they move onto discussions on Biden’s handling of the pandemic and mask efficacies, admire Bill Hemmer’s clear dedication to German philosophy, and Mike Lindell continues to Mike Lindell. Sam and Nomiki debate the correlations between anti-science rhetoric and general misogyny, racism, and toxic masculinity from the alt-right, and they give a quick rundown on potential features of the reconciliation package, plus, your IMs!

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