Robert Smigel on Triumph and insult comedy in 2016. Mocking the left vs mocking the right. On comedy’s relationship with social progress. The bias-free language guide. On working with Hulu. The beauty of covering the presidential primaries. On the abilities technology gives to creative people. Robert’s perspective on the Donald Trump phenomenon. (6:00)

Lily Geismer, author of Don’t Blame Us: Suburban Liberals and the Transformation of the Democratic Party on her Jacobin piece “Atari Democrats.” The McGovern campaign and the shift from labor to white-collar professionals. The “Massachusetts Miracle.” The “creative class,” and wine and beer tracks. The apparent impossibility of change within the Democratic establishment. (42:30)

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